And now that China hawks dominate thinking on both sides when it comes to Sino-US relations, dive deep Host Ryan Lizza decided to talk to Max Baucus, who is one of the leading voices warning that the hawks have got things dangerously wrong.
Baucus was the US ambassador to China from 2014 to 2017. Before that, depending on the year, he was either the chairman or a ranking member of the very powerful Senate Finance Committee. And in this riveting interview, he is surprisingly critical of both Republicans and Democrats for embroiling America’s relationship with China to score political points at home.